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Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

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Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by jet set willy » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:24 pm

Great website guys, and great forum. DL

AufPet is one of my all-time favourite TV shows, well series 1 & 2 anyway. The later BBC's ones were pretty dismal. I hated the new Oz, hated the way the characters developed, hated the unrealistic storylines, and absolutely hated the direction. Roger Bamford should have been asked back to direct, and the show's trademark opening and closing title sequences should have remained, with updated Joe Fagin tracks. This was essential to the series.

Anyway, back on track. Were the rumours true about Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on during series 2? I've not read any concrete evidence of this, but not seen any comments from Nail on Gary's death to say otherwise.

Also, was Nail such a pain during the filming of series 2, that he got too big for his boots?

Any insight would be much appreciated.... :P>

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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:08 pm

I think what happened was that Gary was ruining the filming and timing of many scenes, noted in Jimmys autobiography.

As a fan who has grown up with Pet and realised how important it is to have a career and earn money, for Gary to have his problems or not, it must have been tough for many of the cast who wanted to thrive and do well, but for Gary to hold them back or ruin what was a great series.

These are only my personal thoughts, but I do understand now.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by AWP Corsa Tim » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:59 pm

I did hear a reliable whisper that whilst making series 2 that Gary and Jimmy werent getting on like when they did series 1.. and Gary's timing or being late all the time would wind Jimmy right up im told...
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by dan slider » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:00 am

Jimmy did say in his book that he threatened to give him a good hiding
just to scare him into coming in on time etc.
Gary also said that he would get Jimmy after filming (a few articles on the Gary website about it)

Jimmy also said he just didn't feel as happy as series 1 because of the filming in Nottingham and the
disputes with the Unions.
But I'm sure he became a royal pain in the arse at times.
Always two sides to a story though.
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Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:26 am

Yes very true Dan.
I believe that all the lads and crew deeply cared for Gary and Jimmy in particular can be seen crying in one the Spanish episodes at a mention of Wayne, I think it obviously hit them all very hard indeed.

Maybe that was Jimmy's way of trying to help Gary, by scaring him to death. It would have worked for me!
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Lou » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:41 am

Oz crying, when was this, Lee?
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:56 pm

Lou its noted on the Forum by another member I can't find it however. It's the scene where Barry is buying the lads champagne in the bar in Spain, and Barry shouts at Bomber for looking at his watch.

Watch the whole scene and keep an eye on Jimmy, he's upset and starts crying which is fully understandable. He'd just lost his mate.
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Post by Lou » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:30 pm

I'll go and watch that in a bit then, I'll get back to you
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Post by Lou » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:37 pm

Just watched that scene, yes he wipes his face with his hands and his eyes do look like he's been crying. Had they just found out that Gary had died then?
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:35 pm

I think so yes.
Not to sound big headed or show off, but if Jimmy did ever read this I wouldn't want him to think we are exploiting that scene, something that's incredibly sad, we are or I at least cannot imagine what that must have been like and they all have my upmost respect for finishing the episodes without him.

I think anyone in that position might have thrown in the towel and thought forget it!
Lose a mate in the most tragic circumstances and be back at work in a week. That's tough.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Lou » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:58 pm

An utter tragedy.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Lou » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:54 am

lsm wrote:Which episode?
Last ep series two, quo Vadis,pet, when Barry buys champagne in the bar the night before the wedding.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:54 am

It's been posted here in the Forum a while back but I cannot find the original post.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by dan slider » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:13 pm

I've never noticed that but will watch again for sure.

Gary & Jimmy got on great in Series 1,
On Gary's site I'm sure theirs an NME (or another music paper) clipping interviewing Gary, and he said to the
journalist that you've just missed Jimmy who popped around to his flat with some new songs he
had been working on.
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Re: Jimmy Nail and Gary Holton not getting on...?

Post by Shankly » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:43 pm

The guy who owns Sir James' house in real life said on Tim's location video they Jimmy wasn't that nice. Lots said the same around that time.
I did also hear at the time they Gary and Jimmy weren't best pals.
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